Correct Answers: overheard news, profile, prescription bottle. Yes its all out there and very easy to discover but why? If a colleague saw something a bit personal, however old, Id appreciate the heads-up because I could lock it down, away from students eyes. And benevolent acquaintances do not do that kind of intensive search, so if you are doing it, I have to assume that you have some malicious interest in doing so. Because of this, on a day-to-day level we function as a distributed team we rely primarily on a business text chat/collaboration platform, video calls, and a policy of keeping all our work in the magical cloud. Im intentional about keeping my off-site workers included in both regular work-related and social/sidebar conversations. You typically dont even have to go past the first page of results. What can I do to make myself less upset about this, and what can I say to my boss in the near future in a way that doesnt throw her under the bus? Exactly this. This resulted in a weird exchange with the hiring manager, thankfully who was understanding, but definitely left a bitter taste about asking prev. Living with someone is different, though. ), https://www.amazon.com/Tuscan-Dairy-Whole-Vitamin-Gallon/product-reviews/B00032G1S0. Do these people live in town? I was on the hiring panel for a position recently and one of our top candidates was the subject of some newspaper stories that were a little concerning. The thing is, if I accidentally learn something that has no importance to my relationship to someone, why would I mention it? This even extends down to my direct manager I dont expect her to know every button press I do in every aspect of my job, otherwise, shed be doing my job instead of managing me and my colleagues (who press different buttons!). There are nuances. IDGAF really what they are online, what matters is how they interact with me every day at work. The alerts make it appear I am leading a life of crime all around the US. all seems fine to me. However, if I lug home 27 pieces of swag (pens, tiny foam mascot) from the trade show I spent 10 hour days at, Id be irritated if HR had to approve my keeping it. Shes still there and I am gone. I think its really industry-dependent. If youre the person writing the specification for a purchase, or the person choosing a vendor for it, your company may have rules about the type of goods and services you may accept as well as limits on how often you may accept them Caesars wife and all that. Think of the training as a couple light work break days where they (hopefully) provide lunch and networking. Google tends to be a problem with this. In small towns this isnt a big deal as places usually deliver everywhere, but in my city, delivery places generally have very strict lines on the map of how far theyll deliver. The kinds of vendors that are coming in are people trying to convince us to switch to using their gizmos on our machines (motors, gears, buttons, switches, etc.) They are not doing you any favors. Engineer Girl because some people are nosey, as you said. She shouldnt have done that without your permission, nor should she have tried to tell them what to pay you! By what authority to they propose to impose fraud penalties on you? Just because someone was nosey. Im in my twenties and look up my coworkers to check that they dont post racist or homophobic stuff. Its something that used to be very common but is now less-so. Not necessarily fire / not hire. Contractors & temporary colleagues in certain situations. Over the line. This is still horrifying from a user perspective, but its not really relevant to the current discussion about private individuals searching public social media. Along with rechargeable accounts. I think the person with the dog walked into the house by themselves out of curiosity. In my field (academic librarianship), I have never heard of vendor swag becoming company property. I dont get being nosey about personal things Im one who actively avoids looking up that kind of stuff about coworkers but I do look folks up on linkedin and on their previous company websites to get a sense of job history and other work related things. I mean, as an analogy, if youre at the supermarket, youre publicly visible and out among other people, but itd still be creepy if someone followed you all through your grocery shopping trip. I work in social services, most of my co-workers are in their mid to late twenties, and they are constantly doing Facebook searches on new clients and new hires. It wasnt an amazing house or anything, just a pretty setting and a nice little house. And occasionally to search for stuff to satisfy curiosity (like whether a couple has broken up or whether a former coworker is still at the new job). Really. If this is a lunch and learn being held AT the company, surely they know that lunch is being served? Since it was a gift, any money you get from it is pure profit! One time we were having a cupcake party to celebrate the completion of a huge multi-year project that he had played a significant role in (and had been hired for the project). (which doesnt sound like the case). Love it! How to check in on your employees without being a snoop - Fast Company Our workplace has remote sites, about 50 people in one location, and 30 spread out in small teams in different cities. I am constantly receiving Starbucks giftcards that are of no use to me, since I dont drink coffee or tea. colleagues should never snoop or look up information cvs. Even without bribing, it turned out that doctors would be more likely to prescribe something if they had the brand name in front of them all the time on pencils and other trivial things. Trying to fix it has been absolutely more hassle than its worth. The brain does a whole ton of shortcuts, and then backfills logical rational reasons that was the objective, rational thing to do if you look at the question logically. If they gave you a reason to think that, I could maybe see it. In my last job my boss and I looked up the FB page of a candidate in our entity (I cant remember exactly why we did this, he was probably acting like a jerk though) and it turns out his page was filled with racist and homophobic posts. a. aquatic b. volcanic c. land d. sea. Usually when I hear people doing research on how to talk to managers, they are asking about that managers preference (When Jane asks for a solution recommendation, is she looking for statistics or should I keep it high level? not Can Jane understand X technology or must I explain the details to her?). You are equating two things that are vastly different from each other. Whats the excuse then? Its the nature of the internet and I dont think most people were prepared for that. I think this is a great way to look at it. There are common misunderstandings about what certain projects actually were whenever someone reads in it print that rarely happen through spoken conversations, because people see it through the lense of their history/experience (common problem for people who leave X industry but stay in tech). I feel like your person social media being a part of your work is more rare than not. Snooping isnt a big deal. She didnt see herself as an ineffective manager, but that it was everyone elses issue. There are so many perks: I get to sleep in because I have no commute and dont have to take the time to look presentable, I can have laundry running throughout the day, I can have my background noise television shows on, etc. People are complex. ), I love anchovies! I agree that stalking/cyberstalking is wrong, but that is on an entirely different level then googling your coworkers and checking out their social media. So a lot of verification services now dont do it because its not really worth figuring out the legality. You had to opt in. Things that you would *not* feel comfortable saying? Otherwise, working from home, for me, generally trumps free food in the office! In my field everyone has a website. You agreed to this when you signed up. Practically everything on social media is posted with express permission from the user., Facebook literally makes profiles of people who have never been on Facebook. Exactly this with the minor exception of having the manager/director actually pick and communicate to you even a single metric for success I feel for your difficult experience. I still have no idea what it was referencing! Im black myself, I cant say Ive ever felt the need to look at co-workers personal pages under the guise of safety. So I was effectively searching colleagues all the time because I dont carry everyones extensions/office locations in my head and keeping a local version was very much frowned upon by senior management. Practically everything on social media is posted with express permission from the user. Ive had plenty of clients have to return them and be marked no gifts on our end. Im not looking for anything personal, and dont search deeply enough to find blog posts or social media (I dont even have an account on Facebook, so that limits what I might see there!). Best. Professional artists, actors, curators, directors, musicians, I can imagine professionals for whom that boundary is now very porous. Besides, its a great way to bond with my coworkers and build networks. I think Alison is 100% correct. Thats light years away from googling someone and accidentally seeing public information. Same with deep dive searching. You are sending press releases about yourself to an audience of billions. And even proving youre the owner of the house and removing the pics (like you can on Zillow) doesnt mean there wont be pics of your house on other sites like Redfin or crossposted from other real estate sites. He couldve been getting an opinion on how something was being done, showing it off for some reason (from another potential sale to look, dad!), etc. Another has been to see how technical a manager is a technical industry. Its not foolproof (for all I know, you have very loose boundaries around this stuff), but mentally putting yourself in their shoes is generally a good proxy for figuring out the boundary between ok and too far. There are cases, statutes, and codes that address some of an employer's responsibilities to maintain the privacy of personal information about employees. Totally normal. Or just the ones that get your spidey sense up? Its hard to find a default (except maybe amazon), so I think Starbucks isnt a bad call. Staring at someone at a restaurant for your entire meal is creepy. I think LW3 May need to reframe some of this relationship instead of basing everything off the attitude that everyone is clueless and treating them like new managers. Of course roles have budgets, salary ranges, etc. Im surprised more people arent mentioning this type of snooping. Its natural to be curious about new people. My office even sends out a link to the persons profile as part of their hiring announcement. Im in a little rural spot on the map about an hour away and there is no such thing as delivery out here. It was a pain contacting each site to take the info down. Yeah, I don't Google but I look up bosses, colleagues, and prospective employers on LinkedIn regularly. 1) Ill learn more about their work, and 2) I can judge my own website as lacking in design or navigation (or very occasionally feel like hey, mine isnt so bad!). That is on a whole other level. I agree with Alison that if Im reading someones LiveJournal from 1998 thats too far, but a google search? Yes, that bit sounded strange to me too. We just had to send her the receipt. A friend of mines ex-boyfriend had a blog where he went into a lot of detail about my friend after they broke up. I guess to me this is one of those situations where just because you can doesnt mean you should. HIPAA is an acronym for Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act. Theyve made things much more strict. Dont do these search early in the process with many candidates that can lead you to unconsciously weeding out certain types of people. The majority of my remote workers are not even in the same time zone, so it does challenge me to get more creative in general. They did not buy spouse a weekly lunch, but they did send us money to use on a schmancy holiday dinner ourselves! Yeah a gift card for an entire pizza always beats having a few slices in the office. HIPAA question of the day: Do your employees snoop? This isnt just about information that you yourself have posted. This debate reminds me of when a music video a certain Congresswoman made in college was re-posted by some of her political opponents. for #5, I work for a fully remote team and the CEO has all of our venmo accounts. First off, many people put things up in the old days before mega search engines. This. They have. Thats not a typical situation. The internet makes it frighteningly easy to acquire vast amounts of info on nearly anybody, and unless youre foolish enough to talk about it, nobody will know you did it. I think advocating for 5% more is total crap. My Facebook doesnt even show up in Google searches. But if a coworker did that and you came across it ten years later, it is pretty basic common sense to realise that while you certainly *could* read through all their posts and learn a lot of personal information that they chose to put online, they probably would be embarrassed and a little weirded out if you actually did it and definitely would be if you brought it up at work. I had to calm her down, show her the thread, teach her how the whole dumb thing works, and show how it was a response. The internet didnt make it public, its just another outlet to access it. Thats not the same as going by a coworkers house when its part of your route or when you need to pick them up/drop them off. Whether you work full- or part-time, we offer wide variety of benefits and well-being resources. Sure, its technically not my house yet, but Im under contract; so while its probably not legally trespassing, its essentially walking into someone elses house uninvited and is creepy AF. Car accident leads to firing of 12 employees for snooping 'Coworker' vs. 'Colleague': What's the difference? - Merriam Webster PDF OFFICE OF THE GENERAL COUNSEL Advice Memorandum - SHRM A lot of social media is about getting more followers and having people see what you put on there. Its the same exact information, offered to exactly the same peopleeveryone. Nothing that constitutes a meal. My husband loves them on his pizza however. I referred to this in a comment below, but when you sign up for social media and accept the terms and conditions, it asks you point-blank if the platform has permission to publish and distribute your information, and you are saying point-blank that YES, its okay for that information to be published and distributed. Hey, i saw someone walk into a gay bar three towns over and snapped a photo of them and thats public right? And then theres my mother who, many years ago when Google Image Search became a thing, decided that the very best thing to try it out with was the full name of my then-boyfriend. And in allowing people to have some privacy even if you can look up everything about them. Its the current year, everyone knows that if you publish it online, the internet never forgets.. we had a new employee a few years ago that was rumored to have harmed his ex) then any extent of search is fair game. Whatever you find out thats beyond a Linked-In search, keep it completely to yourself. I guess calling it an invasion of privacy is a lot since it is public, but I just am not down for it. if you bought a house, how much you paid for it. I thought, Oh, what cool community thing did Boss Lady ended up in the paper for? and clicked. If you Google me by name you will not find me. I think Engineer Girls experience of having someone not only find out this (incorrect) information but start rumors about it and then not let go of these rumors even when corrected, is an outlier. Unfortunately, there are some shady companies who think its ok to lowball you because youre out of work. Are people who work in the arts not professionals? What is the intent of the Code of Conduct? In addition, since I would have been close to a promotion at my former company had they continued in business, I am targeting jobs at the level I would have been at had I received that promotion. I never joined the society and forgot about it. And also I dont play like that with other people. Fine? I guess I just have a fundamentally different perspective on the privacy issue. Valued people work better. I google everyone. Those are typically compiled only from publicly available records the ones that go beyond public records typically requite you to have obtained consent and a social security number from the person youre looking up. It is a ridiculous policy. Im particularly curious about people who are quite senior and how their career trajectory compares to mine. Suggestion: dont do anything youd categorize as snooping. Whats your motivation? With his dog. Now with the advent of the internet, it is included in how information is disseminated publicly. I only recently found out that you can send e-gift cards for Starbucks. #3. colleagues should never snoop or look up information cvs . Some of us are curious to get a sense of new coworkers. I have no idea why its this wayalgorithm stuff I guess. Its like them taking an ad out in the New York Times and then wondering how people know whats in the ad. It would have made a financial difference to me when I was younger and a free lunch was a big deal. Sorry if it came across as looking up coworkers personal lives, I mean this more in a professional lookup capacity. Internet wise, and real life too, I am snoopy and nosy. Public records are now online. Those who have been doing the job for years dont map a route, they see an address and drive to it. Ill have to try that. My boss regularly comments on my lawn/yard, but, to be fair, I live a few blocks from where I work and am on a reasonable route for her to be driving past my house every day, and she learned about my houses location during all of the house-buying drama I went through to get a house in an Extreme Sellers Market a couple years back. I think the expectation of privacy was different on the early Internet. We recently hired an HR gal that I was told was roughly my age and from my hometown, but wouldnt be starting for another couple weeks. My favorite thing ever is that we get really nice heavy duty sample pens sent to us from a place that we used to buy company swag from for previous trade-shows [weve since found other items to hand out] and all my pens are personally branded *evil cackle*. If they google me to find out about my love of competitive butter carving, thats over the line. Instead, I went to HR and said I would love to earn a You are Fantastic and here is why Evaluation from my manager, but have received a Thanks so much, all is good Evaluation 2 years running. And Im saying thats not necessarily true. I could see reasons why someone might walk a person through a house thats not complete enough to be locked, or be referred to as a build rather than a house. Such reasons are theyre acting creepy or setting off that gut check response [another comment above here goes into an account of how their creep-radar went off and googling confirmed suspicions], they mention something in passing that makes you go Wait, what? . Thats how my curiosity will be sated. I dont have any moral concerns with googling people, or with others googling me. Call (225) 687-7590 or little caesars crust ingredients today! And if that doesnt turn up anything, its on to speculation and rumor spreading because nobody could be that boring, and there must be SOMETHING. If a coworker has racist rants on their LiveJournal, that may, in fact, be a safety issue. I guess my general attitude feelings on humanity are summed up by the George Mallory quote when asked why he wanted to climb Mount Everst? Its part of so-called public records, but its still none of anybodys gd business, and they will only use it to age discriminate. If you, a user, are seeing something on social media, that is probably stuff a private person (maybe not the right person, but a person who doesnt work for the social media company) consented to have public, at least in theory. Its okay for me to look at it, comment on your page (if that functionality is enabled), link to it, write a blog post about it, perform web searches on the information in your posts, contact you on that profile (if that functionality is enabled), even download your photos. If you can see the truth of that in the people at the table next to you in a restaurant, then you can see the truth of that online as well. (Pizza, especially if you are on a college campus.). (Although if youre doing one for some reason, you definitely need to keep that to yourself the other thing that made that situation bizarre and inappropriate was that he felt free to ask her about what he found.). At least make sure theres no minimum delivery requirement. But Im not an HR pro I think the company should give people doing hiring clear guidelines on this. But talking to your coworkers about stuff you find online is a different question from looking up your coworkers online. Yeah, if you google my name you can find my phone number, because it was in a newsletter from 1998 that is online. That was the case in 1994 and its the case in 2019. Id feel weird telling them what I saw on a Facebook post from 2 years ago. And while the majority work here on campus, a few are remote (people on study abroad, graduates who have continued to work for me, etc.). Social media is not privacy. OP2: Since asking about previous salary is so common (ugh), she probably didnt think anything of telling them, especially when they approached it as a fair offer thing. Its all risk and no reward. #1, Companies do background checks all the time which can reveal far more than anything posted on Facebook, etc.

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