She failed miserably to convince me, or anyone else who mattered, of her innocence.. Im more sure of Routiers guilt. !) and detractors (This is another bs attempt to free a psycho). I hope she suffers and goes insane from loneliness. Lets stop pretending we can definitively prove this woman murdered this woman and her child. Ironically its you who is basing your view on second-hand information, as you were not in court. Your email address will not be published. It says that Andrew reported the cut phone lines and broken pad lock was reported to the police at 10:30. Rorrer is as guilty as OJ Simpson. Patricia Rorrer was wrongfully convicted of Murder. Four months after Joanns disappearance, farmer Paul Kovalchik reported seeing what at first looked like a pile of clothes on his land in Heidelberg Township woods, about 15 miles from the Katrinaks house. As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. The article also notes that most inmates earn around 19 cent an hour at their jobs and must pay $5 each time they need medical attention or medicine. All my comments have been vetted and approved by this sites organisers so how do you see yourself as the judge of whats acceptable or not? Your comment could not be farther than the truth! She said that shes no fan of Forensic Files and that the show had many misrepresentations about her case and that shed heard ForensicFilesNow.com mixed up some facts as well. Patricia Rorrer Self - Suspect (archive footage) Director Kimberley Ferdinando All cast & crew Production, box office & more at IMDbPro Storyline Edit Keith Morrison investigates the horrific 1994 murders of Joann Katrinak and her infant son, Alex, as well as the ongoing claims that Patricia Rorrer was wrongfully convicted of the murders. Suzanne Pearson fabricated quotes from Patricia including her claim that Patricia said, Im going to the electric chair upon her arrest because a conviction would boost Pearsons career. In TV clips, Andrew didnt come off as anguished. Go somewhere else where your asserted expertise will be professionally tested and you wont be so frustrated and insulting about those who disagree (with your expertise and opinion). I dont think so. He wanted to move to Colorado and she was against it.. All this appears to leave a strong whiff of corruption emanating from the investigation authorities and DAs office. Narcissistic and violent tendencies are very common. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? Finally, another irony you fail to appreciate: you claim theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. Some people are just monsters. Just saying. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. Yeah, no. Patricia Rorrer - Wrongful Conviction, Innocent, Nonprofit They are a joke. Superior Court states that Patricia Rorrer and Andy Katrinak's romantic relationship ended in May, 1993 only one year before the murders. Theres also the matter of a woman who suddenly remembered she saw Joann with another man at a Food Mart store five days after the disappearance. She should have received the death penalty imo. You started slinging insults, then got insulted when slung back. Patricia Rorrer will burn in hell, as she should. Theyre just not willing to investigate/research as to the truth. Prosecutors offered Patricia a plea deal that would take the death penalty off the table, but she declined. I can't believe this bitch has a whole internet community rallying for her; have they SEEN the evidence? However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. No way they laid there for 4 months!!!! If Patricia had injuries it wouldve only been to her hands and she wasnt questioned right away which is also the reason she took Joanne elsewhere to kill her so her body wouldnt be found for a while and she would have time to return home. So much of it, it would take all day to elaborate here. Discuss and express opinion; stop short of asserting that those of the other view (that of judge and jury, at least) are ignorant of facts and wrong, and youre right, because by definition its reasonable for lay people to accept the jury verdict. (Nope. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. Another witness, Walter Traupman, who never testified, had told state troopers that on the day of Joanns disappearance, he saw a couple who looked like Joann and Andrew arguing about the paternity of a baby. Not gender neutral. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory. Police slowly built a case against Patricia. They also think she killed her first hubby Larry Ford as well. Quote if I had known I would get caught, I would never have brought you into this world. Pat to Nicole her daughter. Counsel for Patricia Rorrer, 52, argued in Lehigh County Court that investigators mishandled DNA evidence, WFMZ-TV 69 reports. If I knew I was going to get caught, I never would have brought you into this world, the arresting officers testified they heard her say to Nicole. Any true crime fan should know the crazy history of these magic boxes. Im sorry Sally, I know you want someone to blame for the death of your daughter and grandson, but the person who actually killed her is serving a life sentence in another facility in Pennsylvania. And even prosecutor Michael McIntyre, who wrote the book Hair Trigger about the case, acknowledged to Keith Morrison that it was a little odd that the police found blood on the hairs in Joanns car but nowhere else in the vehicle. Its never been made clear. No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. Ex-boyfriend Walter Blalock said that Patricia wanted him to be more like Andrew. At one point Interpol had an extremely similar case in which an individual convinced a friend, who had been his sexual partner several times in the past, to kill the woman he had a baby with, on the grounds that the child is not his and he does not love her but cannot leave because everyone would accuse him of abandoning his child and his family name would be affected. Watch Wrong Man season 2, and then come back and make comment. The criminal, a crazy with a psychotic crush on a man, the planner a individual with a lot of self esteem and narcissistic charm who can persuade women, was rich thought compared to the individual in this case, and the victim, a woman who saw her life only as a wife and mother and had no other pretensions, and that even if she had threatened the individual that she would leave a few times, she always stayed. She had a history of violence over men, and she had access to the dump site from frequent visits. Pat will spend the rest of her natural life in prison where people like her belong. Im a hunter and in the spring I have found many dead deer that died from starvation or other reasons and the bodies are untouched. Had there been a switch? There is no justice for your loved ones when the wrong person is paying for the crime. Unfortunately, most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense, and theyre only more unlikely to do so, given todays social media. Another thing that stumps me is Joannes supposed good friend who said that Joanne told her she was leaving Andrew. Probably by the jeans and the boots. Were suppose to ignore the actual forensic evidence and forensic opinions because we were told that a cop overheard her claiming she confessed? Its sad that some people just cant move on and continue to feel that what they want is going to be THEIRS regardless. Trash-talking ex. This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. Rorrer seems to have had relatively considerable appeals scrutiny of the convicting evidence, to no avail as yet. Dance defense. Joanns gun and beating wounds were obvious, but the baby died a less violent (but just as horrible) death with no clear signs. This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. Once you create your profile, you will be able to: Why would she say that maybe she wasnt really a good friend, just someone trying to inject herself into a super sensational case. (McIntyre said that Egan ignored Traupman because he was a nut who said that the man he saw arguing with the woman in a car was Hispanic but wearing a fake mustache and a toupee. I expect she will admit it one day. At the states request, the instructor wore a wire during a phone conversation with Patricia. Did he go on to have any other children is later relationship(s), do we know? They were not reported until 5:30 the next morning and he had already spliced the phone lines together. Hardly an argument, more a figment of your overconfidence in your opinion. They would have no reason to protect Andrew and lie on her. Ive followed and made a study of this case for more than twenty years and have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. They were telling the truth and revealing the type of person she was, a person that definitely would kill out of jealousy and revenge. Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. You should be ashamed of yourself. Dial-a-problem. 18+ When 21-year old Jessie Morrison is brutally beaten to death, police zero in on Vonda Smith. But otherwise, extremely similar, a single bullet fired into the head, the woman later beaten to make sure she died, the hair, which had remained in the bracelet of our victim in this case, the way it was executed outside the house in a wooded area, at the command of the gentleman who did not want to soil his house, and the child who in our case was abandoned in the car. Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. They broke up in 1993. Find out more Our Mission Patricia's Story Our Mission Is to get Patricia a fair trial that will prove her innocence, and give justice to Joann and Alex who died a horrific death. The victims vanished on December 15. The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. The hair evidence is not compelling because theres a very good possibility that the evidence was compromised. On December 14, 2020, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court denied Ms. Rorrer's petition for allowance of appeal, concluding her state appellate proceedings. Puny policy. Cop defends accused. She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. Great catch. November 2020; October 2020; September 2020; August 2020; July 2020; June 2020; May 2020; April 2020; March 2020; . DNA also doesnt lie. And Patricia wasnt all edges. Her alibi about going to the club, called Cowboys Nitelife, got fuzzy when investigators discovered she hadnt signed the guest book on that day. of course they all do it to make money only, some of them do it shamelessly, without the slightest attempt to be fair and honest. Watching this case on tv again today, I returned to this site and noted: I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. If Rorrer is innocent, she is a victim of a terrible miscarriage (terrible relatively because she is regarded as a child-killer and has been incarcerated for a many years) which I hope is corrected as soon as possible. Plus, two men, her babys father and his friend, testified they saw Patricia at the line-dancing club the night of the homicide. Rorrer killed two peoplea young mother and her small child and thru the justice system got what the bitch deserved! He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. Reasonable Doubt: Season 5, Episode 7 - Rotten Tomatoes In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. Clifford Freeman, were you a juror? After reading this forum and hearing the details of this case, Iowa sure seems a lot fairer in my eyes. Perhaps she used more than one gun using another/others for the target shooting than the one she killed with (and others shot with her?) From what Ive seen its pretty obvious Patricia did do that to this poor woman and the baby. Had he for some reason been murderously angry with, or bitter towards, Mrs K, why kill his baby? Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. They noted houses near the murder scene would have heard a gunshot in December, when no farm equipment is making noise, and question why the murderer didnt just kill Joann inside her house instead of risking being seen in public in her car. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. Those that think that Patricia is innocent are simply groping at straws. Patricia and her husband broke up after the babys death. Watch Wrong Man Season 2: Stream Full Episodes on STARZ Wrong Man Season 2 Review: Joe Berlinger's Dream Team Tries Changing After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. I dont see any defining comment or wording that justifies that claim. Incriminating words. It could be coincidence, but I really doubt it. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. Three days later, Joann had plans to pick up her mother-in-law, Veronica Katrinak, to go Christmas shopping. Sad discovery. Please read her story. One more thing acquire ALL the facts about this case If you can read. Mr Steve J Thank you Kerry. Pat is locked in a cage because shes an animal. If you have ever met or been in a relationship with a narcissist, the former partner being with a more young and attractive-looking person would make them go off. Patricia Rorrer: Under the Microscope. WATCH: ID Examines 1994 Lehigh Valley Double-Murder - People Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. See Commonwealth v. Rorrer, CP-39- CR-0002176-1997 (C.C.P. You are absolutely right. Another inaccuracy in this is, they state the jury took SIX HOURS to return a verdict, when in fact it took less than TWO HOURS. Its patently clear you are another of those who knows too little about this case. Patricia Rorrer: An Update - Forensic Files Now Susan Wright is out of prison after killing her husband in TX. That poor child who grew up with no mom for absolutely no reason. They really need to set her free and open the case and look at the husband. I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. Not normal folks obsessed ones do. Patricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. It makes me sick. in tandem with no evidence of home invasion. Create a free website or blog at . Her non-serious but potentially fatal (proximity to artery) injury could have been a half-hearted suicide attempt if not intentional other-incriminating. Theres something very important to this case that needs to be mentioned more than anything else THE GUN. Men who murder are conventional, women are sensational, posits the Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Network. Prosecution leader McIntyre, when interviewed, laughingly dismissed him as a nut in an effort to trivialise Traupmans input. She definitely did it. Shame on your for defending a vicious killer. Most of all, Patricia said, she would like a rematch with prosecutor Michael McIntyre. In addition to the Facebook page, there are Reddit threads on her case. Or did they? That phone call came in on December 7, 1994. What evidence is there she actually left the state? It was Patricias hair no question. Joann and Alex Katrinak: Still No Justice (Update) Stable situation. Patricias phone bill showed no record of a call to Catasauqua that day, but police noticed she didnt make any calls at all from her house in North Carolina that day either suggesting she could have been out of state and used a pay phone to dial up the Katrinaks. On Alexs diaper bag, police found strands of the same type of hair from the car. You are not expressing an opinion but making an assertion or claim of fact: [I] have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. You are claiming innocence as fact there is no doubt shes innocent. The obvious, if moot, response to this is to observe that her conviction wasnt based on inaccurate documentaries but on trial. He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. Andrew had an ex-girlfriend, Patricia Rorrer, who'd been familiar with the trail, and she'd previously managed a horse stable just a mile from the scene. Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. Looking at the pictures of the scene, after 4 months of the bodies being there allegedly, they were untouched? Lawyer: New evidence in 1994 killings of woman, infant I didnt know about the supposed SIDS death of Rorrers first-born. Shes still guilty, with her hands did it or not, in regard to baby Alex. If Patricia drove it back from the murder scene after she shot Joann and then beat her to death, luminal would have lit up the interior. Police say Rorrer put a .22-caliber bullet in the mother's head, strangled the baby and placed him . I have all her moms and her jewelry that was given to me when my mom passed away. No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. Update/Clean-Up. Stevie J Further to my previous comment, I should add the following. Anyway, there are thousands of people who differ from that belief, that is why there is so much controversy surrounding this case, and that is why there have been numerous convicted people in the past whove been exonerated on appeal. Patty is my cousin. Ill always say that Tommy Lynn Sells murdered the Routier boys OR the father Darrin did it. In April 1995, the family buried Joann and Alex in a single bronze casket after a funeral mass at a Bethlehem church. Plus, he had only a minimal life insurance policy on Joann and he passed polygraphs, according to The FBI Files: Family Secrets. I have to assume its because her conviction is regarded as safe (which doesnt mean it IS safe, I know). As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. Two problems, then: a failure to see your own position as you see others (failure to comprehend irony), and failure to understand the difference between fact and opinion. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. Joann would have fought for her life the person that did this would have had marks on them from a fight! Just one example. Keep in mind that 34 hairs are in custody of the state police, so where are the other 4 hairs? Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. Re Routier, the claim that she inflicted a potentially fatal injury on herself by no means indicates another perp: she could have inflicted it in ignorance, as a suicide attempt, or in a semi-psychotic state. Highly charged case. This article seems to have a great many errors and omissions, more by design, I fancy, than a need to tell the story objectively. She would also have no heart when it comes to children, not even her own. If documentaries are, as you claim, biased against Rorrer, the obvious question is why. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. They also found a photo of Patricia taken 11 days before the homicide. Whatever the truth is. . Lehigh County Deputies escort accused murderer Patricia Rorrer, as she arrives for the beginning of her trial at the Lehigh County Courthouse in Allentown, on Friday, Feb. 6, 1998. False. Locked up. Nope. Especially mice! He was happy. Your somewhat convoluted explanation of discuss and express opinion, seems to ramble on and on without any logic or reason. I hope she rots in hell. Free Patricia Rorrer Everyone lies. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Claps! She killed a mother and child and now has all of you eating out of the palm of her hand about how mistreated she has been. All the sources said the same thing either exposure or suffocation, but no certainty about which one. So we can just pretend that everyone is honest all of the time? Thats my life.. She didnt need to have owned all the guns she ever used, nor to have owned the gun she in fact used. Just one example. The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. Several instances of malpractice, along with revelations have emerged since her incarceration namely, failing to forensically examine significant items of evidence items which would have seriously compromised their case had they been examined and failing to advise Rorrers Defence of witnesses who were prepared to testify on her behalf. I noticed quite a few errors myself. How would an intruder find it? Despite the new evidence and hypotheses, the courts have rejected all of Patricias bids for a new trial. Did they ever determine cause of death in the baby? That documentary points out that, despite the bodies of the two victims supposedly being exposed for several months, their condition remained relatively undisturbed by weather or animal activity. Sir I would not kill somebody and I definitely wouldnt kill somebody I never met, Rorrer said. The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? She should have been treated exactly the way she treated that mother and baby, taken out into the woods, shot, beaten and then left to die. Whoever writes this amateurish swill should get a real life, andsa real job. Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. What has that to do with the point youre trying to make? Yet they insisted in the trial that the call came in on the 13th. I would have liked better her being put to death! I want to keep the tons of old jewelry but Im perplexed. But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. It has very bad energy. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. After Joann Katrinak, the wife of Patricias former flame, turned up dead along with her infant son, prosecutors suspected Patricia. The phone wire was located at the opposite end of the basement, which was dark. I happen to be one of those deluded people youre so freely attempting to insult. Patricias professional life included short-lived gigs as a Century 21 real estate agent and an Oldsmobile salesperson. I thought the same. And, why is it reasonable to believe lay people accept the jury verdict? Sorry, I must have missed your name on the witness list. Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. It would appear you are reading all sorts of interpretations into my comments especially that I have a fragile ego, dented by others whove responded to me! Further, an early FBI report said the hairs found in the car had no roots which contain the DNA suggesting an evidence switcheroo. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. I thought the justice system in my state and the people were narrow-minded and corrupt. While most of the documentaries come out as reinforcing her guilt, albeit most of them giving differing accounts of the speculation which was presented at her trial, some going even further by showing scenes that were offered as theories at her trial, as FACT. Watching Reasonable Doubt right now hope they also find that she did it. This was the reality for 58-year-old Patricia Rorrer, who is currently serving life in prison at Muncy State Correctional Institution (SCI) in Pennsylvania. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! That, as well as measurements of the babys head (revealing the infant to be of a more advanced age) very much suggest they were killed some considerable time after what was believed at her trial.

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